AMD third Gen Ryzen: Continued Look Via Ryzen 5 3600X/3400G

AMD’s Next Horizon Gaming match, main as much as E3 2019, had given us a large number of data at the 1/3 era of Ryzen. During the center of checking out for the 3900X and 3700X evaluation, we gained every other package deal – this time containing the Ryzen 5 3600X and Ryzen 5 3400G. How would those fare in comparison to our earlier third-gen Ryzen effects?

We additionally sought after to try sure fashions over each and every era and notice how they’ve progressed throughout those three years. To help in inspecting that, we broke out the former 6-core, 12-thread samples and the preliminary era of Ryzen-G.

Note: The Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 5 3600X used on this evaluation had been supplied by means of AMD for evaluation functions. A complete listing of elements and resources are integrated within the article.

Unboxing/Initial Thoughts – Ryzen 5 3400G & Ryzen 5 3600X

Since we gained lots of the new elements with the preliminary evaluation, those processors got here on my own. The packaging is very similar to those from prior to, and on this case, it is smart to stay it easy. Since Ryzen-G follows one yr at the back of in structure, the 3400G continues to characteristic each Vega graphics and Zen+ processor architectures. It might be every other yr prior to it strikes to Zen 2 and RDNA graphics architectures. The 3600X, then again, is in keeping with Zen 2 and gives a possibility to peer how neatly it plays at decrease core and thread counts.

Testing Setup

Since we’re maintaining the similar checking out setup from the unique batch of exams, there isn’t a lot more that must be integrated. The unique Ryzen 5 2400G that I used in our 2019 evaluation was once left at the back of in Japan. Thankfully we had been ready to procure every other because of Shannon Robb. Shannon has presented improve to XDA in a few of our extra bold tasks and efforts for a number of years. We a great deal admire that improve.

As we’ve accomplished with earlier evaluations, we can determine each and every part and the way it was once received. The listing is sort of similar to the former evaluation since we’re best swapping out CPUs within the exams carried out for this evaluation.

Test Bench/Case (All Self-Purchased)

  • Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic (TR1950X checking out)
  • Lian Li PC-T60 Test Bench (Black)
  • Lian Li PC-T70 Test Bench (Black)

Power Supply (All Self-Purchased)

  • Rosewill Hive 1000W
  • Corsair CX750M
  • Corsair TX750M

Motherboard

  • GIGABYTE GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 – BIOS F22m – supplied by means of GIGABYTE
  • Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming – BIOS F14 – supplied by means of GIGABYTE
  • ASUS ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING – BIOS 1704 – Self-purchased
  • MSI X470 GAMING M7 AC – BIOS 1.94/1.9O – supplied by means of AMD
    Note: 1.9O was once required for 3700X/3900X and likewise used for 1600X/2600X/3600X/2400G/3400G exams.
    1800X examined however failed on 1.1, 1.94 resolved the problem.
  • MSI X399 GAMING PRO CARBON AC – BILS 1.B0 – supplied by means of AMD

Processor (All supplied by means of Intel/AMD, One Replacement by means of Other)

  • Intel i7-7700Ok
  • Intel i7-8700Ok
  • Intel i9-9900Ok
  • Intel i9-7900X
  • AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (Initially supplied by means of AMD, changed by means of Shannon Robb)
  • AMD Ryzen 5 3400G
  • AMD Ryzen 5 1600X
  • AMD Ryzen 5 2600X
  • AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
  • AMD Ryzen 7 1800X
  • AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
  • AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
  • AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
  • AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X

Memory 

  • Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB – 3200MHz, CAS 16 – Provided by means of AMD
  • Apacer Blade – 4x4GB – 3000 MHz, CAS16 – Provided by means of Cybermedia on behalf of Apacer
  • G.Skill Flare X 2x8GB – 3200 MHz, CAS14 – Provided by means of AMD

GPU (All Self-Purchased)

  • Sapphire RX580 8GB
  • EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
  • HP Geforce RTX 2080 (believed to be from PNY, blower taste)

M.2 NVMe Storage (All Self-Purchased)

  • Samsung MZ-VLW512A (2 equivalent portions)

Cooling

  • ID-Cooling Chromaflow 240mm – Fans from similar equipment – Provided by means of ID-Cooling
  • Deepcool Captain 240 EX – Fans from similar equipment – Provided by means of Deepcool, 
  • Enermax TR4 AIO Cooler (Fans now not used) – Self-Purchased
  • 9 x ID-Cooling 120mm RGB enthusiasts (used with Enermax) – Provided by means of ID-Cooling

Additional Components (Self-Purchased)

  • MSI AC905C Wireless Network Card (Used with Z170/Z370 motherboards)

Testing Methodology & Gen/Gen Comparisons

Tests stay carried out the usage of technique made publicly to be had. We arrange and examined this at the first AMD processor, then attempted to clone it for Intel checking out. This didn’t supply dependable effects so we as a substitute wiped and re-created the usage of the similar procedure.

A report is to be had in Google Drive to view extra of the notes. It additionally has been expanded to incorporate side-by-side comparisons of the three generations at 6 and 8 core counts. Ryzen-G, following one yr at the back of, has a identical comparability however just for the two generations it’s been to be had. We’re now not certain what number of are curious about those breakdowns, so we’re doing this as a take a look at. We hope that readers will tell us what they suspect and in the event that they will have to be integrated in long term evaluations.

  • Operating System: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
  • NVIDIA Drivers – newest nvidia-### to be had in usual PPAs
  • AMD Drivers – AMDGPU (open supply model)

The take a look at effects from our evaluation of the Ryzen 7 3700X and Ryzen 9 3900X are used as the bottom for this evaluation. We are warding off updates to the take a look at atmosphere, for now, to restrict the variables in our take a look at circumstances.

Test Results

Benchmark Notes: Phoronix Test Suite’s CPU suite gives a plethora of exams and now not all are integrated on this evaluation. The complete listing of exams and effects are to be had right here, aside from our LineageOS construct instances. Those might be integrated later within the article. The colour scheme for benchmarks continues to practice XDA’s conventional colour scheme.

Chart Notes: As the selection of take a look at effects will increase, it has turn out to be important to modify the formatting of the chart. At the similar time, we imagine we will be able to nonetheless grasp to XDA’s most well-liked colours whilst nonetheless figuring out notable teams. Readers will understand a number of adjustments on this article and also you will have to be expecting to peer the ones adjustments mirrored in long term CPU take a look at effects.

CPU take a look at outcome charts are actually set as a bar chart. Intel stays in blue whilst AMD stays in crimson. HEDT stays yellow with a blue/crimson development to signify Intel/AMD. Ryzen-G is indicated by means of a checkerboard impact. All colours stay the usual coloring utilized by XDA. Sorting is completed manually and ordered in a fashion that are meant to simply permit readers to temporarily determine what they wish to to find in the ones charts.

FFTW

The 2700X and 9900Ok effects nonetheless display as the one outliers within the development. Stock turns out to do neatly and overclocking turns out so as to add extra advantages, except for with the two famous within the 3700X/3900X evaluation.

GZip Compression

Out of the brand new effects, we see only a few variations within the development. The 2600X soar between inventory and overclock is abnormal in comparison to our different entries, nevertheless it nonetheless follows the standard development.

SciMark 2 (Java)

All of the brand new effects practice the rage with little exception. If anything else, those effects best spotlight how the 2700X was once an outlier.

John The Ripper

We in fact discovered an irregularity within the 3400G effects the place it was once considerably upper than it will have to were. After some additional evaluation, we discovered that the knowledge effects exported had been fallacious and had been corrected the usage of the uncooked information effects from Phoronix Test Suite. The 2400G is ordinary in that overclocking didn’t produce as a lot of an growth as the overall development.

C-Ray

The result of this take a look at start to display the place Ryzen-G struggles in some circumstances to its extra hearty siblings. The core and thread depend in point of fact turns out to make a distinction right here, and 4 cores in point of fact do appear to start the bottleneck. This could also be mirrored within the 7700Ok because it has the similar core and thread depend.

This is helping determine a development of extra cores and threads weighing extra closely on effects than speeds until one thing else is affecting that. We imagine that is the case of the 9900Ok at 5 GHz, most probably throttled because of temperature limits. Overclocking does proceed to give a boost to it except for for the 2600X, the notable outlier within the new effects.

Benchmarks: Build Performance

Build Test: LLVM

Continuing to show the LLVM construct instances we see that, as soon as once more, cores and threads in point of fact topic right here. Since the 7700Ok outpaces each Ryzen-G fashions, it’s transparent that the core and thread counts on my own aren’t influencing the construct time. But that’s a staggering soar between 4 and 6 cores at the AMD facet, one that repeats in other places.

Build Test: LineageOS lineage-16.0 marlin

Out of the brand new effects, we see that Ryzen-G is, sadly, appearing in addition to we imagine it will have to. Realistically I’m now not certain maximum shoppers having a look to construct AOSP from supply can be opting for a Ryzen-G APU for his or her builds. So whilst this may increasingly glance abnormal, it will not be a viable worry.

The different merchandise of notice at the Ryzen-G builds was once an important building up in RAM use. At some issues, the usage was once very on the subject of 100%, and we believed that there is also a bottleneck. We borrowed a 32 GB RAM equipment to check this idea. The RAM usage remained top, however the total construct time effects had been throughout the margin of error of the unique effects.

Improvements in Ryzen Over Each Generation

With Ryzen now being 3 years previous, we idea readers is also curious about some data on how each and every era has progressed in efficiency. We integrated a complete breakdown of each and every take a look at by means of CPU within the Google Drive posting of our effects. Ryzen does appear to assemble some spectacular enhancements over each and every era, and core/thread counts do appear to be part of the issue of simply how a lot growth is noticed.

For the 8-core, 16-thread variant, the second one era of Ryzen supplied as top as a 30% efficiency building up over its predecessor. The 1/3 era noticed identical effects towards the second one, and up to 92% over the primary era. Building LineageOS did building up between 35-42% on reasonable, which is definitely noteworthy if that system is constructed particularly for circumstances reminiscent of this.

The 6-core, 12-thread variations see identical will increase however now not as top because the 8 core effects. LineageOS does see more or less an building up of 28% on third-generation Ryzen in comparison to the primary. Ryzen-G, showing to now be restricted in efficiency by means of its core and thread depend, sees enhancements of about 5-10% over its earlier era. It might be very attention-grabbing to peer the way it does subsequent yr with the Zen 2 structure. The greatest beneficiary may be the 16-core, 32-thread depend CPU because it strikes into the mainstream AM4 socket⁠—only if the ability had to run the Ryzen 9 3950X can also be correctly tamed.

Final Thoughts

AMD Ryzen continues its personal development of providing aggressive answers at each and every value level. The 3600X continues to provide an ideal access for many who need extra cores and threads. It’s an ideal center level for many who might wish to step up from an older structure. For many of those shoppers, the extra financial savings in a CPU can also be reinvested in other places. Gamers might wish to go for a extra robust graphics card or quicker garage. Once there, the AM4 socket definitely gives a hearty buffet of CPU upgrades will have to they come to a decision to head for extra one day.

Once we get back off into 4 cores, Ryzen with built-in Vega graphics makes it exhausting to suggest a model with out graphics. It’s an excessively aggressive resolution towards the Intel Core i3, with each providing identical thread and core counts in addition to built-in graphics. If one simply must do the fundamentals⁠—internet surfing, media playback, and elementary productiveness apps⁠—there’s little argument to head past this. It will not be the quickest at some duties, however those that wish to do such difficult duties are most certainly now not on this buyer phase. For those that need intermittent use, it’ll nonetheless get the process accomplished, even though it should take it a little bit extra time to take action.

All in all, it’s nonetheless excellent information for shoppers. As lengthy as shoppers know what they intend to make use of the device for and set the cheap prematurely, they’ll know the place to simply start within the seek for a device that meets their wishes. So lengthy as shoppers have a wealth of alternatives at each imaginable value level, the toughest choices won’t come with whether or not to shop for or construct a brand new PC… however as a substitute what comes within that PC. It’s nonetheless a doorway to wisdom, and all of us do higher by means of doing away with limitations to wisdom up to imaginable.

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